This is a old sovkhoz's mill. I think there was fire or flour explosion or something at early 90's.. or so.. and thus not in use after that.
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Well, today I passed by of this mill again and was surprised. They had ruined it. I mean they had repaired it, but made it ugly. The ruins were nice, but now it was some ugly building.
It seems like they have made some recycling plant of old tires there. At least something that kind was written to the sign on the gate.. Could not read properly I had to watch road when cycled downhill in there when passed it. ^_^
I don't know. Last year there were some buildings also here insulated, but I don't know how they managed.. Maybe there were richer people living in them.
I checked your link about your house... Until to interior design. It's all nice and fine well build house.. I could like it too.. Although it's a bit big to me... You certainly have put a lot of effort into it. But sure thing, our tastes of interior and colors and such, are very different. I try to avoid darker colors.. for furniture and anything else also... But what's important is that you like it and you feel well in it and it's the home, that you build for your self with your own hands. Congratulations.
Sorry, that I commented it here.. I don't want to join to too many groups.
Hi again dear Hardi!
I know too well these houses you are living in,my first apartement was in a 3 stories flat on the top.We had the same problem as yours about insulation,(and in summer it was unsupportabely hot!)but it was built from bricks.
After we bought a building site we sold it,I was really content,I hated it sooooo much!
In my country there is a program called PANEL program,sponsored by governement to insulate and ake the heating system of those houses more economic....at least decrease their heating bills,but it still costs a lot of money...:(
Here is a same housing estate as yours,in my city this is the biggest,in Avas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avas
I want to share with you a link about the construction of our house,we wanted to build in solar heating system for warm water&other alternative energies,but at the end we had to give up on our plan bcause the shortage of money.
At least it is insulated with 7cm nickecell boards,and it is comfortably warm at winter and cool in summer. http://my.englishclub.com/group/Experiences/forum/topics/constructi...
I'm not sure about vocab. It's just the words from some on-line dictionary and the search of google. But I think I wasn't too wrong. :P
Old log houses can be sometime insulated well too. Here the worst ones are the apartment buildings built at soviet times.. I live in one of these.
Here's a fragment from energy audit that was made about our house.
The light yellow parts are where there's very bad insulation. :P
In winter it's so expensive. The one month heating for our condo, in winter cost as much as firewood for a log cabin/house for a whole winter.. And because bad insulation the walls get cold and start to mold. In bas after the soviet union collapse there was heated less, because it was expensive. Then I had only 14 C in my room and the whole ceiling and outer walls got black by mold.. Then I insulated it from inside. 8mm insulation for walls and 2.5 cm for ceiling.. I live in top floor, so a lot of heat went out from roof. Last year I also insulated my room from outside from balcony.. But since this winter was extremely cold I have again some mold in corners..
So it's bad. Nothing can done. It's apartment building and people aren't rich to insulate it.
But my balcony wall looks now nice. Nicest of the whole house. I used osb(Semi Orientated standard board) for finishing/top layer of insulation.. now it's nice wooden wall. :)
Sorry for being late again,I wrote this answer already yesterday,but again I had connection problems due to the heavy rains in my region...:((thankfully I could save it:))
Thank you Hardi,for enriching my vocab with these new words I was surching for:log-wall house&log cabine.
Yes,I agree that traditional old Russian style houses are nicer,but nowadays a house must be build as energy saving as possible,being heat insulatored,the best if it uses alternative energies as solar and wind power,but how weird,that poor people can't afford to build such houses,as these are expensive to construct.How contradictory,isn't it?:(...
Energy prizes are going up constantly here,....up high to the sky!
Wow,I envy your brother,to have a sauna of your own must be great!
Deffinitely,a sauna from wood is the best,I adore finnish sauna....
You gave a good tip for program for the near future,OMG,how I long for it....
Yes log-wall houses are expensive. I think I read some article about it some year ago.. It said that we have some house makers who build them, but only few are sold here, most are sold to Scandinavia.. where it's very popular.. here people are a bit too boor.. But I have seen some new log-wall houses also here too. But I don't like modern style so much.. the old traditional log-wall cabin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_cabin is nicer.. the new villa like buildings with at least 2 floors and huge windows.. They don't feel so homely.. in my opinion.
Estonian typical traditional log cabin are like those in Russia, but with less decorations around of window and etc. They are simpler and thus nicer. :P
My brother built sauna from wood.. Since he built by him self and got wood free from his own small forest. It didn't cost so much.. Of course sauna isn't also so big building as a house and it need only steam room fully with log walls..
I think for sauna the log wall is the best wall.. True sauna must be from wood. :D
hi Hardi!
Excuse me for answering with a big delay to your discussion,but I wanted to give a feedback to your reply.
I absolutely agree with your point of view about the things you've set forth in detail about building houses that fit to the natural area.
I find these raditionally Estonian farm houses("rehielamu"s )very attractive,my other favorites are these type of houses made out of wood: http://www.finngerendahaz.hu/
They fit extremely good to nature,but their only disadvantage is: they are very costly!
FINN GERENDA- ÉS RÖNKHÁZ FORGALMAZÓ, ÉPÍTŐ ÉS SZOLGÁLTATÓ KFT.
I don't think it's good to pull them all down. They have ambience. These ruins get own specific atmosphere by aging, and ruining.. while staying abandoned a decade or so.. They become ghost-houses.
Of course anything too dangerous for environment, should be removed and disposed and recycled.. Not leaving something behind that can endanger fauna and flora.. And then nature can take over.
The new buildings are often much worse than old ruins. I really hate to see some modern houses in rural areas. I don't understand how landscape designers give permissions to build them.. These new "carton" houses with square lot of grass, rounded with fence, are fine to the city space.. village, towns, etc, but they are horribly out of place, when built somewhere in middle of wild.
Traditionally Estonian farm house was "rehielamu" They usually fit well with landscapes and looks beautiful.. Even those in same style, but built in modern age are OK.. of course building this kind of house costs more.
And the builders love for "gypsum board"(Draywall) is also bottomless. It's clear, that the builder want to use it and they do anything to convince client how good it is.. Some time even for exterior. They love it, since it's quick and extremely easy to install and get everything in lever, flat, smooth, straight, without cracks. So easy to clue wallpaper and tiles afterwards. But the result will be a house of mass-production.. atmosphere of artificiality.. I suppose the owner of house will have to paint cracks to wall by him self and hit holes to some walls to make it feel more snug. LOL
No, no. I like white walls and light colors, I might like also straight walls where everything is in lever, but I don't like the feeling of artificiality.
Some think, that if they use some recycled old wood somewhere.. set some old farming equipment to somewhere in the grass slot.. as like museum exponents, makes it feel better, but in reality -those are often worst!
Yes,from one aspect it is dangerous too.
I mainly consider it sad,beause I always imagine those ruins in its golden age,when it provided subsistence to many family....but maybe started to produce less profit,and had to be ruined...and also sad that these ruins are not being taken care of.
Why not being renovated and used to another purpose,or pulled down,if good for nothing?
Except from ruins of castles,these kind of ruins are not a pleasant view for me,standing there deserted for more then two decades.
It's not a critic against your photo,Hardi,just my feelings in general about these ruins of late factories.
It have it's own beauty. It doesn't appear sad to me.. Maybe it would, if I would go too close and get involved, but from distance, it looks scenic and.. somewhat romantic.. lone ruins beside of road, on top of hillside... Or I don't know, I like it.
But yeah from close, it's probably rusty and dangerous place.. Where you can hurt yourself in each step.
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Well, today I passed by of this mill again and was surprised. They had ruined it. I mean they had repaired it, but made it ugly. The ruins were nice, but now it was some ugly building.
It seems like they have made some recycling plant of old tires there. At least something that kind was written to the sign on the gate.. Could not read properly I had to watch road when cycled downhill in there when passed it. ^_^
I don't know. Last year there were some buildings also here insulated, but I don't know how they managed.. Maybe there were richer people living in them.
I checked your link about your house... Until to interior design. It's all nice and fine well build house.. I could like it too.. Although it's a bit big to me... You certainly have put a lot of effort into it. But sure thing, our tastes of interior and colors and such, are very different. I try to avoid darker colors.. for furniture and anything else also... But what's important is that you like it and you feel well in it and it's the home, that you build for your self with your own hands. Congratulations.
Sorry, that I commented it here.. I don't want to join to too many groups.
I know too well these houses you are living in,my first apartement was in a 3 stories flat on the top.We had the same problem as yours about insulation,(and in summer it was unsupportabely hot!)but it was built from bricks.
After we bought a building site we sold it,I was really content,I hated it sooooo much!
In my country there is a program called PANEL program,sponsored by governement to insulate and ake the heating system of those houses more economic....at least decrease their heating bills,but it still costs a lot of money...:(
Here is a same housing estate as yours,in my city this is the biggest,in Avas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avas
I want to share with you a link about the construction of our house,we wanted to build in solar heating system for warm water&other alternative energies,but at the end we had to give up on our plan bcause the shortage of money.
At least it is insulated with 7cm nickecell boards,and it is comfortably warm at winter and cool in summer.
http://my.englishclub.com/group/Experiences/forum/topics/constructi...
Old log houses can be sometime insulated well too. Here the worst ones are the apartment buildings built at soviet times.. I live in one of these.
Here's a fragment from energy audit that was made about our house.
The light yellow parts are where there's very bad insulation. :P
In winter it's so expensive. The one month heating for our condo, in winter cost as much as firewood for a log cabin/house for a whole winter.. And because bad insulation the walls get cold and start to mold. In bas after the soviet union collapse there was heated less, because it was expensive. Then I had only 14 C in my room and the whole ceiling and outer walls got black by mold.. Then I insulated it from inside. 8mm insulation for walls and 2.5 cm for ceiling.. I live in top floor, so a lot of heat went out from roof. Last year I also insulated my room from outside from balcony.. But since this winter was extremely cold I have again some mold in corners..
So it's bad. Nothing can done. It's apartment building and people aren't rich to insulate it.
But my balcony wall looks now nice. Nicest of the whole house. I used osb(Semi Orientated standard board) for finishing/top layer of insulation.. now it's nice wooden wall. :)
Thank you Hardi,for enriching my vocab with these new words I was surching for:log-wall house&log cabine.
Yes,I agree that traditional old Russian style houses are nicer,but nowadays a house must be build as energy saving as possible,being heat insulatored,the best if it uses alternative energies as solar and wind power,but how weird,that poor people can't afford to build such houses,as these are expensive to construct.How contradictory,isn't it?:(...
Energy prizes are going up constantly here,....up high to the sky!
Wow,I envy your brother,to have a sauna of your own must be great!
Deffinitely,a sauna from wood is the best,I adore finnish sauna....
You gave a good tip for program for the near future,OMG,how I long for it....Estonian typical traditional log cabin are like those in Russia, but with less decorations around of window and etc. They are simpler and thus nicer. :P
My brother built sauna from wood.. Since he built by him self and got wood free from his own small forest. It didn't cost so much.. Of course sauna isn't also so big building as a house and it need only steam room fully with log walls..
I think for sauna the log wall is the best wall.. True sauna must be from wood. :D
Excuse me for answering with a big delay to your discussion,but I wanted to give a feedback to your reply.
I absolutely agree with your point of view about the things you've set forth in detail about building houses that fit to the natural area.
I find these raditionally Estonian farm houses("rehielamu"s )very attractive,my other favorites are these type of houses made out of wood:
http://www.finngerendahaz.hu/
They fit extremely good to nature,but their only disadvantage is: they are very costly!
Of course anything too dangerous for environment, should be removed and disposed and recycled.. Not leaving something behind that can endanger fauna and flora.. And then nature can take over.
The new buildings are often much worse than old ruins. I really hate to see some modern houses in rural areas. I don't understand how landscape designers give permissions to build them.. These new "carton" houses with square lot of grass, rounded with fence, are fine to the city space.. village, towns, etc, but they are horribly out of place, when built somewhere in middle of wild.
Traditionally Estonian farm house was "rehielamu" They usually fit well with landscapes and looks beautiful.. Even those in same style, but built in modern age are OK.. of course building this kind of house costs more.
And the builders love for "gypsum board"(Draywall) is also bottomless. It's clear, that the builder want to use it and they do anything to convince client how good it is.. Some time even for exterior. They love it, since it's quick and extremely easy to install and get everything in lever, flat, smooth, straight, without cracks. So easy to clue wallpaper and tiles afterwards. But the result will be a house of mass-production.. atmosphere of artificiality.. I suppose the owner of house will have to paint cracks to wall by him self and hit holes to some walls to make it feel more snug. LOL
No, no. I like white walls and light colors, I might like also straight walls where everything is in lever, but I don't like the feeling of artificiality.
Some think, that if they use some recycled old wood somewhere.. set some old farming equipment to somewhere in the grass slot.. as like museum exponents, makes it feel better, but in reality -those are often worst!
I mainly consider it sad,beause I always imagine those ruins in its golden age,when it provided subsistence to many family....but maybe started to produce less profit,and had to be ruined...and also sad that these ruins are not being taken care of.
Why not being renovated and used to another purpose,or pulled down,if good for nothing?
Except from ruins of castles,these kind of ruins are not a pleasant view for me,standing there deserted for more then two decades.
It's not a critic against your photo,Hardi,just my feelings in general about these ruins of late factories.
But yeah from close, it's probably rusty and dangerous place.. Where you can hurt yourself in each step.
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