Hello my dear friends,Since we had a question about the pain before, I realized that some people think pain is necessary for life and we are here to suffer and without it we can not live. This kind of thinking made me so sad since I like to see all people blissful ,full of joy and uplifting, so this question came to my mind: Why do you think we must suffer and we are born with pain and live in pain and die in pain. Why is all about pain? Why do you think in this worldly game, we should have pain so that we can gain something?I think all the pain that we have created with us for example some students study because all people do that. Then, they choose the subject that most people choose but the subject does not match with their personality or potential, then, they are suffering studying the subject. So, what they can do in this case? they can choose whatever they like for studying. In this way, they won't suffer. So, pain is not in the world but it is something created by our actions and attitude.I am looking forward to your answers. Thank you so much for helping me to understand about life more and more.Have Fun,Nafis
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Hi Nafis your topic is so interesting .I think that you are right when you speak about the creation of pain by human being because it exist that some people look for this pain deeply in their lives to add some drama not like others who live really that pain but they try by one way or another to overcome it with hope and faithfullike it has been said "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it."
I see what you mean. Edison liked what he was doing even if he didn't sleep enough ,so we like the suffering that leads us for glory,richness and sucessful life and we called it the price of our dreams.This quote summarize what i said:"But there is suffering in life, and there are defeats. No one can avoid them. But it's better to lose some of the battles in the struggles for your dreams than to be defeated without ever knowing what you're fighting for.”Thanks Nafis again.
So long
Kamel
Thank you so much for your nice words. In fact, your question about Pain have me think about it more. So, thank YOU! I hope I will know a little about life with the help of my friends here.
As Kamel and Sri Hanifeh mentioned here, sometimes we should experience pain to know the real meaning of something else. In your nice story, the man suffers but this pain helps him to know more about love, commitment, being with each other and etc. With his suffering, he knows how much he loves his family.
I think behind every suffering that we have, there is a lesson if we look at it very carefully and we need them for another stage in our life. I remember a picture in which a guy carried a long timber of wood and others do the same too. But the guy was always complaining about the wieght of the wood on his shoulder and then, on the way to his destination, he cut the wood in order to carry it easily. So, he cut it and cut it more and more until it became very small. That time, his friends and he reached a deep valley. Since others carried such a long timber of wood all the way, they used it and the length of the wood could cover the width of the valley. So, others passed the valley very easily but he could not because his timber of wood was so small to cover the width of valley. So, he remained alone on the other side of the valley thinking that the long timber of wood could help him to pass the deep valley.
So, I think all the pain in some stages of our life gives us strength and a lesson and if we look at them very carefully we realize that the approach that we choose will determine how much painful it is. We can see the pain as misfortune or we can see it as an opportunity to learn. What do you think?
Thank you so much for your comment. You are thoughtful too since you gave me a response. It is a great joy to discuss with nice friend like you.
I got this idea from your comment that pain makes us united and causes to have empathy for each other. Yes, so right. I have forgotten this since I only thought we have to be happy all the time.
Thank you so much for your point. I was so busy thinking about bliss that I forgot pain is somehow necessary for our life. You are so right. We need it to know the meaning of happiness. However, I can see this example from a different angel too. The person who loves his subject of studying, staying up all night would be fun for him too. It is not that much hard for him in my opinion. For example, Edison was a scientist and he struggles 1000 times to make a bulb lamp. In every step of inventing the bulb lamp, he may encounter suffering and a lot of pain but he finally learned from all of them how to invent a bulb lamp. What do you think? I will be so grateful to know your point.
I just used thie picture to back up my point. These things written by me and there are not in the novel and in fact, I don't have any idea about the novel. Thank you so much for your comment and It was hard for me to read your comment since you used short words.
Hi Nafis,
I think to taste happiness there should be suffering.Imagine that every thing in life is so easy and good,We'll not feel happy.I agree with you ;when we choose something we like , we'll not suffer much but studying itself has pain .I mean when you be awake most of the night studying then you pass the exam with "A" that will make you so happy.Cheaters will not feel that because they didn't work hard ( suffering).The suffering is a part of life but the value here:We should work hard to change the suffering into happiness.
Thanks Nafis for this question.
So long
Kamel
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I see what you mean. Edison liked what he was doing even if he didn't sleep enough ,so we like the suffering that leads us for glory,richness and sucessful life and we called it the price of our dreams.This quote summarize what i said:"But there is suffering in life, and there are defeats. No one can avoid them. But it's better to lose some of the battles in the struggles for your dreams than to be defeated without ever knowing what you're fighting for.”Thanks Nafis again.
So long
Kamel
Thank you so much for your nice words. In fact, your question about Pain have me think about it more. So, thank YOU! I hope I will know a little about life with the help of my friends here.
As Kamel and Sri Hanifeh mentioned here, sometimes we should experience pain to know the real meaning of something else. In your nice story, the man suffers but this pain helps him to know more about love, commitment, being with each other and etc. With his suffering, he knows how much he loves his family.
I think behind every suffering that we have, there is a lesson if we look at it very carefully and we need them for another stage in our life. I remember a picture in which a guy carried a long timber of wood and others do the same too. But the guy was always complaining about the wieght of the wood on his shoulder and then, on the way to his destination, he cut the wood in order to carry it easily. So, he cut it and cut it more and more until it became very small. That time, his friends and he reached a deep valley. Since others carried such a long timber of wood all the way, they used it and the length of the wood could cover the width of the valley. So, others passed the valley very easily but he could not because his timber of wood was so small to cover the width of valley. So, he remained alone on the other side of the valley thinking that the long timber of wood could help him to pass the deep valley.
So, I think all the pain in some stages of our life gives us strength and a lesson and if we look at them very carefully we realize that the approach that we choose will determine how much painful it is. We can see the pain as misfortune or we can see it as an opportunity to learn. What do you think?
Wishing you well,
Nafis
Thank you so much for your comment. You are thoughtful too since you gave me a response. It is a great joy to discuss with nice friend like you.
I got this idea from your comment that pain makes us united and causes to have empathy for each other. Yes, so right. I have forgotten this since I only thought we have to be happy all the time.
Wishing you well,
Nafis
Thank you so much for your point. I was so busy thinking about bliss that I forgot pain is somehow necessary for our life. You are so right. We need it to know the meaning of happiness. However, I can see this example from a different angel too. The person who loves his subject of studying, staying up all night would be fun for him too. It is not that much hard for him in my opinion. For example, Edison was a scientist and he struggles 1000 times to make a bulb lamp. In every step of inventing the bulb lamp, he may encounter suffering and a lot of pain but he finally learned from all of them how to invent a bulb lamp. What do you think? I will be so grateful to know your point.
Wishing you well,
Nafis
I just used thie picture to back up my point. These things written by me and there are not in the novel and in fact, I don't have any idea about the novel. Thank you so much for your comment and It was hard for me to read your comment since you used short words.
Wishing you well,
Nafis
I think to taste happiness there should be suffering.Imagine that every thing in life is so easy and good,We'll not feel happy.I agree with you ;when we choose something we like , we'll not suffer much but studying itself has pain .I mean when you be awake most of the night studying then you pass the exam with "A" that will make you so happy.Cheaters will not feel that because they didn't work hard ( suffering).The suffering is a part of life but the value here:We should work hard to change the suffering into happiness.
Thanks Nafis for this question.
So long
Kamel