I haven't even started writing but I do know you all have already started gathering the stones to pelt me. It is OK, guys. But I hope you will firstly read what I am about to say. In America, if a person is badly injured and will never recover or he suffers some lethal disease like cancer at the last stage and there is no hope, he can choose either to die or to suffer if he is conscious. If his brain is already dead, his close people have to decide if to switch off the life support system. I'd like to belive that your common sense and knowledge is above your faith in miracles. If brain is dead, nothing is able to revive a human or other living thing. A few months ago I talked to my friend from Key West. Her dog was dying and suffering so badly. Sure, I asked her why she didn't want to put her dog away for her not to suffer. And my friend asked me, "Would you like to be euthanized when dying?' And I said, "Yes, for sure, I don't want to suffer dying, I'd like to see sweet dreams. If it is the end, let it be pleasant". Her god is still suffering and I do consider it like some kind of sadism. I feel the same about people who don't want to suffer any longer being doomed to death.
So, if you were asked to choose between suffering without any hope of recovery and pleasant death that will stop all that suffering once and forever, what would you choose for yourselves and those you love?
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Thank you, Sir. You made me realized more to thank God that I've found Him and that I have Him in my life. Because of what you said, I'm more than grateful that there is God.
The more I learn Science, the more I believe that there is God. I've been seeing Him in all His works around me. :)
Btw, I don't remember a moment that I've said something bad to your beliefs aside from the fact that I disagree, now, reading you saying unacceptable remarks to my God (I can't blame you, Sir America couldn't present a logical god) is quite unfair to my right to religion. :) However, since you've directly pointed out your views about Him I'm more than happy not to think the same way like yours. The more I'm not convinced to join your club if that how atheist talks...I'd rather be a laughing stock all my life with God than living a luxurious life without Him.
I rest my case, I will not go further as I still believe all human have their own free will~~free choice of religion included.
Danny Clark said:
Danny, please read examples I have given from my real life. Not a single sufferer ever beg to end his/her life. (Please keep in mind the severity of suffering I have mentioned in my examples.)
Danny Clark said:
Severe pain (as under question) also does cause 'stress' both physical and mental. Otherwise how one (sufferer) comes to decide to or allow to end his/her life.
MARY said:
To die is not going 'against the Nature', no matter if your death is finally programmed and assisted.
People who can decide to have an assisted death are not weak people who can't bear the pain and suffering or can't face the reality. They are people who can't see the point of going through that when they can leave their lives when still are themselves. That's the little big difference.
But each decision is equally respectable, that's the thing. Nobody is gonna force you to not to end your days in pain and being high on morphine... but nobody should force me to end my days like that when I don't want to.
I'm sorry for all these family you lost in so very painful ways. I've my opinion and conclusion for these cases, but I don't wanna judge here such personal examples.
Mishaikh said:
1) A few days ago, mother of one of my brothers-in-law got paralyzed because of stroke. Her sons and a daughter were abroad. My brother-in-law what on a ship (job as an engineer). He immediately resigned and came back, (wished to be with his mother in her sickness), all other sons came home from abroad to be with their mother and the daughter also came, they all want to be with their mother in her sickness. The lady got the stroke at her left side thereby paralyzing from the right side. She completely confined to bed, being fed by tubes. God knows how long it will now take. BUT not a single person even slightly think otherwise just they want to be with their mother.
2) Daughter's mother-in-law just died of cancer, after having suffered, badly suffered from the disease for many years. The family suffered during this period emotionally and financially. A few weeks before her death she got a twisted gut and operated. A bag was attached for passing stool. When she was opened for this surgery, the doctors found that the cancer was spread in her entire body uncontrollably. When she died my daughter phone me here in the USA from Pakistan badly crying (and also making me cry). She said that she has lost her mother, she was everything for all of them. Her presence, though no physical use for any of them, but it was every strength they find because of her. The lady suffered from cancer for many years. During this period there was no otherwise thought in the mind of every single person of the family but hope that may she will recover.
3) My sister's husband has been gone blind and deaf, even he can't walk without a quadruped walking support. He also got operated a few months ago for troubled bladder and a bag was attached separately for peeing. He was in severe pain. My sister cried badly when I visited her. But she is still looking after her husband. There is not the slightest thought in her mind otherwise, but just hope that he may get better.
There are other cases also, but I stick to these because they are my closed relative.
So strang,e we embrace the happiness of life so willingly, but if there is suffering small or big, we seek the ways against the Nature................how strange we are, (including myself............I am also a very weak person).
I know when someone's brain died then it means that person is dead! So, what is the necessity of a machine?
But I can not do agree with the idea of euthanasia. And how come a person say when he suffers a lot whether he wants to live or die. I think, then doctors and love ones can help him by giving necessary drugs, food and taking care of him.
See, when we comes in this earth mother and newborn both have to go through a kind of suffering. And, it happens again when we leave.
I think, the people (patients) who are in the last stage of their life need care, help, necessary drugs and time to em-brace the death!
Absolutely NO
It bothers me when the word 'suicide' shows up when the convo is about euthanasia. No, is not the same: Suicide is committed out of despair, due to stress factors or mental disorders. Is the act of killing yourself basically 'cause you hate your life. On the contrary, people who agree with euthanasia are 100% psychologically healthy, they don't hate their lives but they know they're gonna die soon and the reasons to end with their lives are just to relieve the pain and suffering that follows a certain death.
Mishaikh said:
Of course, animal rights exist, but that’s not the same level of human rights.
Hello Teacher, your first paragraph is basically your opinion so I respect that. Of course, you know I will disagree.
However, if I will ask to choose between that situation lying on a death bed (same thing I don’t believe in suffering without hope because if a person has God in his life there is no hopeless moment), actually I can’t even choose if I’m in that case(dying)~~so to those who are “accountable”-(for human standard) to decide whether I should live or die~~ I better tell them now not to interfere with that. God gave my life and only God can able to take it back. Nobody else, even me. Everything happens for a reason, even if we can grasp it now.
Plus, I don’t believe a person who obeys God truthfully will suffer that kind of agony.
Thanks for this topic and though I know I’m not in the same wave I know women of science welcomes diverse point of view. :)
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