I haven't even started writing but I do know you all have already started gathering the stones to pelt me. It is OK, guys. But I hope you will firstly read what I am about to say. In America, if a person is badly injured and will never recover or he suffers some lethal disease like cancer at the last stage and there is no hope, he can choose either to die or to suffer if he is conscious. If his brain is already dead, his close people have to decide if to switch off the life support system. I'd like to belive that your common sense and knowledge is above your faith in miracles. If brain is dead, nothing is able to revive a human or other living thing. A few months ago I talked to my friend from Key West. Her dog was dying and suffering so badly. Sure, I asked her why she didn't want to put her dog away for her not to suffer. And my friend asked me, "Would you like to be euthanized when dying?' And I said, "Yes, for sure, I don't want to suffer dying, I'd like to see sweet dreams. If it is the end, let it be pleasant". Her god is still suffering and I do consider it like some kind of sadism. I feel the same about people who don't want to suffer any longer being doomed to death.
So, if you were asked to choose between suffering without any hope of recovery and pleasant death that will stop all that suffering once and forever, what would you choose for yourselves and those you love?
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Thank you, Sir. You made me realized more to thank God that I've found Him and that I have Him in my life. Because of what you said, I'm more than grateful that there is God.
The more I learn Science, the more I believe that there is God. I've been seeing Him in all His works around me. :)
Btw, I don't remember a moment that I've said something bad to your beliefs aside from the fact that I disagree, now, reading you saying unacceptable remarks to my God (I can't blame you, Sir America couldn't present a logical god) is quite unfair to my right to religion. :) However, since you've directly pointed out your views about Him I'm more than happy not to think the same way like yours. The more I'm not convinced to join your club if that how atheist talks...I'd rather be a laughing stock all my life with God than living a luxurious life without Him.
I rest my case, I will not go further as I still believe all human have their own free will~~free choice of religion included.
Danny Clark said:
Dear Mishaikh, I am really sorry about your relatives, but we speak about freedom of choice and our right to choose between life and death. Legitimization of active euthanazia doesn't mean compultion. It is still for us to decide whether we want to live or to die. If a patient even beg to be killed, the deed of dnr or euthanazia must be signed by him and two professional doctors. Before signing, the patient is exemined and tested by a shrink. But what we speak about is the right to choose between life and death. If we have the constitutional right to live, we should have the same to pass away when we feel like that. You see, the passive euthanazia is widely experienced in the West. But active one is still causes a lot of objections and I see no difference between letting a person die without medical care or helping him die peacefully after having some medication.
Danny, please read examples I have given from my real life. Not a single sufferer ever beg to end his/her life. (Please keep in mind the severity of suffering I have mentioned in my examples.)
Danny Clark said:
Severe pain (as under question) also does cause 'stress' both physical and mental. Otherwise how one (sufferer) comes to decide to or allow to end his/her life.
MARY said:
Now, Mary, Luci, Iza, Rose, Jack, I fully agree with everything you said.
Luci, I think it is a wrong idea to make any suicide legal in any way. Young people are too emotional and may be led by many reasons. You are right, they need a shrink, or maybe something else but they are not ready to die. As usual, they want to scare others. they want others to pay attention to them and their problems.
Mary, agree with everything you say. Are you disappointed because of not being able to argue? Hahah!
Risty, my dear daughter! I have always told you if I had been around I would have taught you natural sciense. But what I can say now is that even in the Christian world your faith sounds a little sane. We are educated people and we know everything about our anatomy and chemistry. Any disease or trauma may be lethal regrdless of your faith or its absentce. It is obvious you haven't experienced anything like that. But if you had had, you would have realized what the merciful killing is! Let your god help you, but he is deaf, indifferent and fully paralzed, the one who needs euthanazia.
To die is not going 'against the Nature', no matter if your death is finally programmed and assisted.
People who can decide to have an assisted death are not weak people who can't bear the pain and suffering or can't face the reality. They are people who can't see the point of going through that when they can leave their lives when still are themselves. That's the little big difference.
But each decision is equally respectable, that's the thing. Nobody is gonna force you to not to end your days in pain and being high on morphine... but nobody should force me to end my days like that when I don't want to.
I'm sorry for all these family you lost in so very painful ways. I've my opinion and conclusion for these cases, but I don't wanna judge here such personal examples.
Mishaikh said:
Hi, my friends! As my wife started this topic and left the city for a few days, she made me a scapegoat, but I don't mind as this blog was my idea. For those who know me I'd like to say that my reply to Tanya's discussion is my husband's duty. I haven't returned yet.
Being a woman, Tanya expained her mind too softly. But being a man I would say more. Have you ever seen your close people suffering from pain and begging to kill them? I don't mean an injury, trauma or any disease expecting people to recover at least partially. I mean everlasting unbearable pain that can't be relieved by any drugs and there is no hope for recovery. If we feel mercy for our pets and that topic is out of the question, why do we doom our species to suffer till the last breath? If we take into account the human rights and will be fair, we violate the rights of our pets when we euthanize them as it is us who make a decision. And everything is OK, this topic hasn't been even discussed any more. But when we start speaking about merciful killing of our species, we start reminding ourselves of religion. I'd like to ask those who have faith, especially Christians. If you think your god created this world and everything alive during six days and decided to have some family showdown on Sunday to "sift the wheat from the chaff", if he drived his best son from the Paradise and made him rule the Hell, why may your god have any mercy on you and why he is expected to help? He is deaf to your prayers.
Back to this discussion. We are not asked if we want to see the world. But we have the constituional right to live or to die. However, the question of active eutanathia is still discussed even in the USA where is it legal. Let me tell you that before any serious surgery or suffering any disease/state that may cause cardiac arrest or other lethal problems, patients may sign the deed of dnr. It means they refuse from resuscitation. Such decision is a must for all doctors and all hospitals. And i would like to ask those who still believe in unbelieavble. What is the differenece between this act and euthanasia? DNR is passive euthanasia, but active one is much more merciful for those who overstepped the pain threshold.
For those who know me. I am not back. I am just helping my wfe out.
1) A few days ago, mother of one of my brothers-in-law got paralyzed because of stroke. Her sons and a daughter were abroad. My brother-in-law what on a ship (job as an engineer). He immediately resigned and came back, (wished to be with his mother in her sickness), all other sons came home from abroad to be with their mother and the daughter also came, they all want to be with their mother in her sickness. The lady got the stroke at her left side thereby paralyzing from the right side. She completely confined to bed, being fed by tubes. God knows how long it will now take. BUT not a single person even slightly think otherwise just they want to be with their mother.
2) Daughter's mother-in-law just died of cancer, after having suffered, badly suffered from the disease for many years. The family suffered during this period emotionally and financially. A few weeks before her death she got a twisted gut and operated. A bag was attached for passing stool. When she was opened for this surgery, the doctors found that the cancer was spread in her entire body uncontrollably. When she died my daughter phone me here in the USA from Pakistan badly crying (and also making me cry). She said that she has lost her mother, she was everything for all of them. Her presence, though no physical use for any of them, but it was every strength they find because of her. The lady suffered from cancer for many years. During this period there was no otherwise thought in the mind of every single person of the family but hope that may she will recover.
3) My sister's husband has been gone blind and deaf, even he can't walk without a quadruped walking support. He also got operated a few months ago for troubled bladder and a bag was attached separately for peeing. He was in severe pain. My sister cried badly when I visited her. But she is still looking after her husband. There is not the slightest thought in her mind otherwise, but just hope that he may get better.
There are other cases also, but I stick to these because they are my closed relative.
So strang,e we embrace the happiness of life so willingly, but if there is suffering small or big, we seek the ways against the Nature................how strange we are, (including myself............I am also a very weak person).
I know when someone's brain died then it means that person is dead! So, what is the necessity of a machine?
But I can not do agree with the idea of euthanasia. And how come a person say when he suffers a lot whether he wants to live or die. I think, then doctors and love ones can help him by giving necessary drugs, food and taking care of him.
See, when we comes in this earth mother and newborn both have to go through a kind of suffering. And, it happens again when we leave.
I think, the people (patients) who are in the last stage of their life need care, help, necessary drugs and time to em-brace the death!
This is a touchy subject for sure. There are so many opinions, fears, and reasons that affect people where this is concerned. When someone is brain dead there can be no reversal. A coma is not the same thing. We have heard of people waking up years after falling into comas. I know of no instance where anyone ever recovered that had been clinically diagnosed as being brain dead. The bottom line here in dealing with brain death is that the hospital is only going to keep them breathing artificially for so long. The expense is astronomical and death has already happened. It is only machines that keeps the body breathing. So for the family to ask that the plug be pulled in my opinion could never be a wrong against the body lying there attached to those machines.
Is the world ready for voluntary euthanasia? No. I feel we will be divided on this issue for quite sometime. I can't say I am truly against it nor can I say I am for it. I think in some extreme cases it has it's place. I also think it is being done unbeknownst to most of us. But to make such a thing legal? I couldn't see voting it in as a human right. We have the means to stop all pain and suffering due to disease and extreme injury. Yes we are told that we are only allowed a certain amount to try and manage pain. I also know that to keep the pain medication flowing is a death warrant. But......if one is in his last days........is it not better to keep his agony at bay even if it shortens their time?
It is a known fact that many medicines we take are dangerous and toxic to us. But they are prescribed in small doses. Do you feel they do not do damage to our bodies? Sure they do. One medicine that comes to mind is steroids. In small doses they help. But in a prolonged regimen they cause life to be shortened. Many people with breathing problems must take steroids regularly, my mother was one of them. They helped her to live a more comfortable life than she most likely would have done. But yet.....I also believe in the end they caused her harm. We trade and barter for life each and every day. So is it really so unusual that we might also think to trade and barter for death? Especially when we know our death is going to be a prolonged and agonizing one? We as humans do tend to be a bit fickle on some things. Smoking, drug use, over eating, all such as this is harmful to us.........and in some cases it shortens our life to the point we die young. If one wants to get technical about it.......is this not a slow suicide? For we know better according to the health experts. So? We all must follow our hearts and our own reasoning on such things........be it following a religion or whatever. I am not sure I will see such a legal option in my lifetime. But I cannot say it will never be.
You presented a difficult topic Tanya, but so far I have seen no stones thrown at you......LOL Tough issues are just that and we all have opinions concerning them......but we need not crucify the writer or her opinion........for it is only that......an opinion........and one is as good as the next. It is an interesting topic.........and an issue of the future........thanks for bringing up the discussion.
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