Hello guys,as I have traveled recently by the car around Europe, which has almost no borders between the countries of Eurozone (Schengen area), I again realized how easy it is to get from one country to another.Anyway.. to be honest, I dislike it - especially when it comes to latest problems with illegal immigrants, who cross the borders without being checked, without valid passports or documments etc.My question is... do you think it is ok to get rid off the borders, to have no customs officers who would check your identity when you enter the country? Are you sure your country is or would be safe when it comes to such benevolent policy?Thank you for sharing your opinions ;)
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Luci, I am not Merkel and I even never did vote for her. But that isn't the point.
I will not start a discussion about policy and about pro and contra in terms of the EU.
Only so much: Fact is if the European states don't find consensus, we will become the play ball for others and we all are threatened to come between the front of the great powers. One finger is weak but five fingers are a hand and a fist and it gives more security because there is more strength. We will see what happens with the UK after the Brexit... let us wait for the results.
I was not always a friend of the EU especially because I didn't see a sense in many bureaucratic decisions and regulations but meanwhile, I think the single countries have their benefit even if we don't see it always. We will experience it when the united Europe maybe is going to falling apart but then it will be too late.
The politicians you are speaking about, they just speak so, they don't want to leave the EU so really... it's only a stupid talk....it's just polemic. Why else have the states been so keen to enter the EU at that time? No one single state was forced. They blame the EU only because they want to cover up their own mistakes and inabilities. It's always easier to blame others.
That was my last statement in this discussion. As I said at the beginning of my comment, I don't want to extend the subject.
Luci said:
Rose,
ofc I don't mean borders we had during communist era - this is not my point... I just want borders like we had before entering EU...in fact I am against EU and even though my country is nothing I do believe this institution is totally rotten and it is riduculous that ppl like Merkel decide here abt future of the whole Europe... I do believe that monitored borders would be more effective and if m not wrong even some politicians consider this option...
Should each country have monitored borders?
Hello guys,
as I have traveled recently by the car around Europe, which has almost no borders between the countries of Eurozone (Schengen area), I a…
I know you're a euroskeptic but that sounds like old conservative thoughts. We live in a globalised world and economy, I mean unity gives strength and let us keep on being competitives. Anyway if there's a majority with such ideas in CZ I guess the solution is not very difficult :)
Lucy, terrorist attacks nowadays in Europe have not the origin in borders, most of these bastards are born here, their parents even grandparents were inmigrants who came in search of a better life and earned their life working. I wouldn't blame on the benevolent policy of borders but the benevolent policy with such miserable people, sorry animals.
ofc I don't mean borders we had during communist era - this is not my point... I just want borders like we had before entering EU...in fact I am against EU and even though my country is nothing I do believe this institution is totally rotten and it is riduculous that ppl like Merkel decide here abt future of the whole Europe...
I do believe that monitored borders would be more effective and if m not wrong even some politicians consider this option...
Dear Luci, I have read in one of your replies your country has lost its borders because of the EU.
Your country hasn't lost its borders, it lost only the border controls at border crossings. If you want the absolute safety, then you must live in a land what is entirely surrounded by a wall or a barbed wire fence. You need border "safety" as we had between East-and West- Germany. It means it needs complete border controls around the clock and at every single part of your border ... maybe even bloodhounds and self-shooting facilities which start to shot if there are movements? What do you think? Believe me, Luci, you wouldn't want it !!!! I can tell you because I know what I am speaking about. We have experienced it.
Do you think, the illegal immigrants would use the border crossings? Don't be naive, they don't!!! And the same is for the criminals which you have mentioned. All of them crossed the borders between our countries also before the Schengen agreement and they have smuggled drugs and girls as you said.
The same is in terms of the terrorists and suicide bombers. But the problem wasn't an open uncontrolled border in those cases. They came with planes and they had been controlled, they crossed the borders in front of the security staff ... often even with their own passports. What is the benefit of controls when that happens?
Luci said:
Dear Rose,
as long as there is mess when it comes to crossing outer border as there are immigrants without identity who misuse it...I just want such people to identify themself when happily traveling around Europe! Dear, I traveled this summer to Croatia - yes we had to wait as in Slovenian- Croatian border they check passports and it wasn't such tragedy.. if u remember latest attack from Barcelona, these guys travelled before to France...such people even though they are on the list of suspecipus ppl can travel wherever they want.. is this ok??? As for working in other EU countries - these who legally work there would be checked so what's the problem then? Thanx for your opinion ;) Rose said:
Do you know, Luci? There should be made a difference between borders.
For example, I will speak about the borders of the European Union.
There are the inner borders and the outer borders of the European Union. Every one of us who lives in a member state of the EU appreciates the easy way of traveling around Europe without being controlled. It's not only for travelers, it allows us also to find a job and to work in countries of the EU and that is very important for many people which don't find a job and can't earn money for a living in their own countries. We can see it between Germany and Poland, Germany and your country, between Germany and France ... and so on. I could enumerate still more examples but I speak here only about my own country but I am sure you will know also examples between your country and others.
Of course, we have to protect the outer borders of the EU. Immigration has to be controlled but it's always the question, how and by what means! And also are there sometimes situations which are forcing us to allow exceptions in the name of humaneness. I agree with you, it isn't desirable to have people inside our countries without to know the numbers and the identities of those persons. We must find a common way how we can make safe our borders without losing our humanity.
Nevertheless, sovereign states should protect their borders and have the control about immigration. A union of states doesn't need a border control at the borders between the single member states, that's my opinion.
Should each country have monitored borders?
Hello guys,
as I have traveled recently by the car around Europe, which has almost no borders between the countries of Eurozone (Schengen area), I a…
as long as there is mess when it comes to crossing outer border as there are immigrants without identity who misuse it...I just want such people to identify themself when happily traveling around Europe! Dear, I traveled this summer to Croatia - yes we had to wait as in Slovenian- Croatian border they check passports and it wasn't such tragedy.. if u remember latest attack from Barcelona, these guys travelled before to France...such people even though they are on the list of suspecipus ppl can travel wherever they want.. is this ok??? As for working in other EU countries - these who legally work there would be checked so what's the problem then? Thanx for your opinion ;)
Rose said:
Do you know, Luci? There should be made a difference between borders.
For example, I will speak about the borders of the European Union.
There are the inner borders and the outer borders of the European Union. Every one of us who lives in a member state of the EU appreciates the easy way of traveling around Europe without being controlled. It's not only for travelers, it allows us also to find a job and to work in countries of the EU and that is very important for many people which don't find a job and can't earn money for a living in their own countries. We can see it between Germany and Poland, Germany and your country, between Germany and France ... and so on. I could enumerate still more examples but I speak here only about my own country but I am sure you will know also examples between your country and others.
Of course, we have to protect the outer borders of the EU. Immigration has to be controlled but it's always the question, how and by what means! And also are there sometimes situations which are forcing us to allow exceptions in the name of humaneness. I agree with you, it isn't desirable to have people inside our countries without to know the numbers and the identities of those persons. We must find a common way how we can make safe our borders without losing our humanity.
Nevertheless, sovereign states should protect their borders and have the control about immigration. A union of states doesn't need a border control at the borders between the single member states, that's my opinion.
Should each country have monitored borders?
Hello guys,
as I have traveled recently by the car around Europe, which has almost no borders between the countries of Eurozone (Schengen area), I a…
Onee... stop scaring me with losing land omg :) I just hope, we will have one day borders.. santa plz gimme borderssss :) haha.. thanx for participating :)
Onee-chan said:
Luci, if it is not monitored, the problem in a long term is.... The land can be stolen, little by little. Does it make sense? But, YES. It somehow happen.
Should each country have monitored borders?
Hello guys,
as I have traveled recently by the car around Europe, which has almost no borders between the countries of Eurozone (Schengen area), I a…
Andy, exactly! I will better wait to be checked instead of this chaos all around with people illegaly crossing borders...thanx for participating :)
andy said:
Safety should always be the top priority, don't put it behind comfort.
Should each country have monitored borders?
Hello guys,
as I have traveled recently by the car around Europe, which has almost no borders between the countries of Eurozone (Schengen area), I a…
Esta...
well, as you can see inner borders are easily crossed by immigrants without documments and as some of them then travel without problems around Europe - sth is wrong then here nah? I wish my country got borders back and we would know who enters it and leaves it and pffff I wouldn't mind waiting there to be checked in the name of safety.. it isn't just a question of immigrants - what about drug business and other criminal activities??? What about kidnapped women who are transported for prostitution to other countries etc.? We have really no idea who is crossing our borders even right now and that's wrong in my opinion..
Estanis said:
You're talking about inner borders but if you come to Ceuta in the south of my country (border with Africa) you'll realise that custom officers earn their bread and butter every day.
Of course I agree with such benevolent policy as you call in the E.U. and you'd also realise how easy and comfortable it'll be if you didn't have a exchange money ;)
Should each country have monitored borders?
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as I have traveled recently by the car around Europe, which has almost no borders between the countries of Eurozone (Schengen area), I a…
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Luci, I am not Merkel and I even never did vote for her. But that isn't the point.
I will not start a discussion about policy and about pro and contra in terms of the EU.
Only so much:
Fact is if the European states don't find consensus, we will become the play ball for others and we all are threatened to come between the front of the great powers. One finger is weak but five fingers are a hand and a fist and it gives more security because there is more strength. We will see what happens with the UK after the Brexit... let us wait for the results.
I was not always a friend of the EU especially because I didn't see a sense in many bureaucratic decisions and regulations but meanwhile, I think the single countries have their benefit even if we don't see it always. We will experience it when the united Europe maybe is going to falling apart but then it will be too late.
The politicians you are speaking about, they just speak so, they don't want to leave the EU so really... it's only a stupid talk....it's just polemic. Why else have the states been so keen to enter the EU at that time? No one single state was forced. They blame the EU only because they want to cover up their own mistakes and inabilities. It's always easier to blame others.
That was my last statement in this discussion. As I said at the beginning of my comment, I don't want to extend the subject.
Luci said:
Lucy, terrorist attacks nowadays in Europe have not the origin in borders, most of these bastards are born here, their parents even grandparents were inmigrants who came in search of a better life and earned their life working. I wouldn't blame on the benevolent policy of borders but the benevolent policy with such miserable people, sorry animals.
ofc I don't mean borders we had during communist era - this is not my point... I just want borders like we had before entering EU...in fact I am against EU and even though my country is nothing I do believe this institution is totally rotten and it is riduculous that ppl like Merkel decide here abt future of the whole Europe...
I do believe that monitored borders would be more effective and if m not wrong even some politicians consider this option...
Dear Luci, I have read in one of your replies your country has lost its borders because of the EU.
Your country hasn't lost its borders, it lost only the border controls at border crossings. If you want the absolute safety, then you must live in a land what is entirely surrounded by a wall or a barbed wire fence. You need border "safety" as we had between East-and West- Germany.
It means it needs complete border controls around the clock and at every single part of your border ... maybe even bloodhounds and self-shooting facilities which start to shot if there are movements? What do you think? Believe me, Luci, you wouldn't want it !!!! I can tell you because I know what I am speaking about. We have experienced it.
Do you think, the illegal immigrants would use the border crossings? Don't be naive, they don't!!!
And the same is for the criminals which you have mentioned.
All of them crossed the borders between our countries also before the Schengen agreement and they have smuggled drugs and girls as you said.
The same is in terms of the terrorists and suicide bombers. But the problem wasn't an open uncontrolled border in those cases. They came with planes and they had been controlled, they crossed the borders in front of the security staff ... often even with their own passports. What is the benefit of controls when that happens?
Luci said:
as long as there is mess when it comes to crossing outer border as there are immigrants without identity who misuse it...I just want such people to identify themself when happily traveling around Europe! Dear, I traveled this summer to Croatia - yes we had to wait as in Slovenian- Croatian border they check passports and it wasn't such tragedy.. if u remember latest attack from Barcelona, these guys travelled before to France...such people even though they are on the list of suspecipus ppl can travel wherever they want.. is this ok??? As for working in other EU countries - these who legally work there would be checked so what's the problem then? Thanx for your opinion ;)
Rose said:
Onee-chan said:
pint said:
andy said:
well, as you can see inner borders are easily crossed by immigrants without documments and as some of them then travel without problems around Europe - sth is wrong then here nah? I wish my country got borders back and we would know who enters it and leaves it and pffff I wouldn't mind waiting there to be checked in the name of safety.. it isn't just a question of immigrants - what about drug business and other criminal activities??? What about kidnapped women who are transported for prostitution to other countries etc.? We have really no idea who is crossing our borders even right now and that's wrong in my opinion..
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