Hello everybody,let me ask you, what impression would give you a person, who would intentionally delete a comment you posted on their blog or discussion? Of course I am talking about comment not including abussive, rude words...just comment that would show that your opinions differ from the author. On one hand it is the right that has everybody, who posts here something but on the other hand.. we are living in democracy and freedom of speech as the right to express own opinions is one of the main roots of such democratic system. I just think that once we post something, we are responsible for it and we should be mature to accept also the criticism and be able to debate...What do you think?
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If someone isn't able to bear criticism, then he shouldn't start any discussions. It's the meaning of discussions to share opinions and to respect different opinions, too. Of course, the contributions should be constructive, never insulting and rude... even if we don't agree with statements.
Deleting of comments is a sign of weakness and missing self-confidence.
Estanis, I see you learnt from Don Quixote and the windmills ;)
Estanis said:
Evan I'm not reacting anymore to lost causes, that's why I prefer spending the few time I log in here nowadays in funny, constructive or keeping the friendship with others here. Well don't think I'm looking away but I prefer remain on the sidelines now. Plus, I see there's still brave warriors to defend ideals :D
Is it ok to delete a comment posted by somebody I disagree with just to shut their mouth?
Hello everybody,
let me ask you, what impression would give you a person, who would intentionally delete a comment you posted on their blog or discu…
Eva! I love your comments so much! But it grabs my attention how you always try hard to be 'objective'... You know? I was like that too! :) But now I know that's impossible for the human being. We're always going to be 'influenced' for something because... we have that thing called 'feelings'. Nothing can be 100% objective. Not even History (written by the winners) or Dictionaries (look for the word 'Black' in a dictionary from 1920 and you will probably find a racist definition) So... I just wanna say that is ok not to try so hard to be 'objective' all the time... We just can't and that's why our feelings have to show up, to come to the 'rescue'! Never feel 'bad' if your feelings are louder :)
Big Hugs.
Evangelina said:
Ooooh Luci
I really, really tried to be objective here..but it is really so difficult, so please my apologies for not sticking completely towards the topic of your discussion.
Is it ok to delete a comment posted by somebody I disagree with just to shut their mouth?
Hello everybody,
let me ask you, what impression would give you a person, who would intentionally delete a comment you posted on their blog or discu…
Hey Luci! You know I'd love to say sooooo many things... But this time I prefer not to make more noise because if I say what I think, I'm not gonna be nice and I'm not gonna talk 'in general'; I'm gonna give names. So I better shut up... Because I'm human, ergo warm-blooded. But sometimes the human blood 'boils'. And my blood boils when I see discrimination, arrogance, bigotry, injustice and manipulation.
I've seen a lot of that many times and usually I defend what I think is right and fair even if I'm alone in my 'battle' (but don't get me wrong, I'm not any 'saint' and neither want to be one) But now, even after reading some kind of comments like those in that blog Eva linked here, I prefer just to keep quiet... But NOT because I don't care or because I can't defend my point of view (I do, pretty well, and I've A LOT to say) I keep quiet because I don't wanna make more troubles and I feel like I'm talkin' to a wall anyway: It's pointless and frustrating. I'm fed up and I dont wanna lose my precious time.
So, the only reason that makes me to come here and write these lines is to agree with your words and to show my support.
Luci, thanks for being a "pain in the ass" for some kind of ppl. I love that about you.
Let me tell you that I have experienced same situation here before, and It is exactly how I reacted about it. I mean I published a blog naming the person who removed my comment and referring to his blog and to my comment that he intentionally removed it. And here is the link if you want :D
Let me tell you that I consider your discussion now as a bravery, while let me tell you as an answer to your question that I consider this action when it comes by others as a "cowardice". It is true that it is their space of freedom so they have the right to put whatever they like in it and to forbid whatever they don't like as well. But still it's lack of confidence and a cowardice to prevent others' opinions, and I can't understand it in a different way. That means they are cowards, and they are free about it :)
Again, I congratulate you on writing this :)
Tricks of Dictatorship
Two days ago, I wrote a comment on Mohammad’s blog “A page from contemporary History Part 1” in which I condemned the regime of Al Khomeini for invad…
Evan I'm not reacting anymore to lost causes, that's why I prefer spending the few time I log in here nowadays in funny, constructive or keeping the friendship with others here. Well don't think I'm looking away but I prefer remain on the sidelines now. Plus, I see there's still brave warriors to defend ideals :D
Evangelina said:
Hello Risty
I think it is time to set things in perspective here, as you are a pretty new member, you are probably unaware of what is the prehistory here...so let me refresh everyone's minds and memory.
First I thought, I will not do this...but judging from ambiguous behavior, I think it is on time with a wake up call...because no one is innocent victims here, by no means!!
Can I please request you to, go to this blog and read the comments there, from the very first comment.
Those who are suddenly feeling a need of stepping forward and demanding conversations in civilized way, and want to omit usage of abusive language...are those who never had raised their voice against other members being insulted and humiliated.
The blog holder of this blog was insulted in such a mean, vicious and humiliating way...that normal civilized people was left completely shaken.
There are some comments there, which are no longer there, because other members deleted them...they went so far...to insult the blogholders parents, particularly his mom.
Those who are speaking up now, about discussing things in constructive manner are those who stayed silent and supported this...and has always supported. These persons would never raise their voice...just because their kind is being questioned for wrongdoings...they suddenly think and want everyone else to appear looking wrong.
This do not make sense in my world.
If we suddenly want to preach about to be constructive, diplomatic and civilized, then we should remember that HONESTY is a must and FAIR PLAY is a virtue!
Please do remember, there are heavy reasons for why some members are opposing so strongly...there are always two sides of a story.
I chose to give you only one example here...I really hope this will make you see things in a bit different perspective.
Is it ok to delete a comment posted by somebody I disagree with just to shut their mouth?
Hello everybody,
let me ask you, what impression would give you a person, who would intentionally delete a comment you posted on their blog or discu…
We are here for learning, we have right of speach..This is open forum for everybody..
Here is My Point of View...:)
I think, when a person say something, somehow he/she have idea about what he/she is saying, whether her/his words will be hurtful to the owner or not..
The question is not about freedom of saying something OR acceptance of "against words".. But the question is What's the "Theme of your words"?? what expression and feeling, A person's words shows.. If a person's words Only shows his point of view(wethers against or not against ) in FRIENDLY way then the owner of the Blog is not doing fair BY deleting his comment... But commentator's words should not be in hurtful/insulted/wrong/harsh way... A comment should not be in ironic way nor hurtful way..
It's hurtful to see that comment has been deleted by owner, BUT its hurtful too that owner receive comment in ironic way.. A person can against the owner Point of View even its not bad or wrong.. But its also not fair to delete someone's comment because its totally against the Respect..
Famous saying
"Always Put yourself on other People's shoes, if You feel that it hurts You then it probably hurt the person too"
Dear Luci, Thanks for this Discussion, this discussion made me to think alot about this issue..
Hello Vangie, this is truly sad and thanks for giving me another side, you know that I'm the kind of person who will tell you things in private if I found something wrong, same to Serene. If I was offended, or things that I consider serious I resort to talk to the person, of course, issues of pervert attitudes from some members are not included here. As i know how to report.
I truly appreciate this effort you made just to make me feel familiar in things happening here, but according to you, as you are always telling me, be myself, be confident, be true and do good. Yes there are so many areas here that I'm not familiar, so many people I don't know yet. But I don't want to waste any chance to know people around me here as they are, one way or another, a help to my English learning. (this is the main purpose of joining the site).
I think if I will ask, but never will I demand for any respect or civil approach I will rest assure that I will do the same. As this is golden rule. If not, I will contradict myself. But of course I cannot deny sometimes when chatting there are people who love to prejudice other people, I did spoke up, especially if I know the person they are talking about is not present.
Plus, regardless of the history I prefer to be neutral not because I support them as they want to aggravate people here or console/protect them. See, nobody is perfect, read me my dear friend, for there is no JUST MAN upon Earth that doeth good and sinneth not. Also take no heed unto all words that are spoken; lest thou hear thy servant curse you, FOR OFTENTIMES ALSO YOUR OWN HEART KNOWS THAT YOU YOURSELF LIKEWISE HAST CURSED OTHERS. (from King Solomon in Ecclesiastes)
Thanks a lot Vangie, you are a genuine good person. I appreciate this and I see this as another opportunity for me to not do the same to other people and try to be more lenient to our differences.
Evangelina said:
Hello Risty
I think it is time to set things in perspective here, as you are a pretty new member, you are probably unaware of what is the prehistory here...so let me refresh everyone's minds and memory.
First I thought, I will not do this...but judging from ambiguous behavior, I think it is on time with a wake up call...because no one is innocent victims here, by no means!!
Can I please request you to, go to this blog and read the comments there, from the very first comment.
Those who are suddenly feeling a need of stepping forward and demanding conversations in civilized way, and want to omit usage of abusive language...are those who never had raised their voice against other members being insulted and humiliated.
The blog holder of this blog was insulted in such a mean, vicious and humiliating way...that normal civilized people was left completely shaken.
There are some comments there, which are no longer there, because other members deleted them...they went so far...to insult the blogholders parents, particularly his mom.
Those who are speaking up now, about discussing things in constructive manner are those who stayed silent and supported this...and has always supported. These persons would never raise their voice...just because their kind is being questioned for wrongdoings...they suddenly think and want everyone else to appear looking wrong.
This do not make sense in my world.
If we suddenly want to preach about to be constructive, diplomatic and civilized, then we should remember that HONESTY is a must and FAIR PLAY is a virtue!
Please do remember, there are heavy reasons for why some members are opposing so strongly...there are always two sides of a story.
I chose to give you only one example here...I really hope this will make you see things in a bit different perspective.
Is it ok to delete a comment posted by somebody I disagree with just to shut their mouth?
Hello everybody,
let me ask you, what impression would give you a person, who would intentionally delete a comment you posted on their blog or discu…
Don't be so touchy Luci, I didn't mean you or comments by you. You are only "too straightforward and open' so simple as that.
Luci said:
Mishaikh, to opose; disagree doesn't mean I offend somebody or I hurt somebody, it means my opinion differs and if somebody can't accept it and take it like attack - sth is wrong then. In this case without offending author I got answer where I was called dull, without logic thinking and as I posted reply ...it was deleted.. Such arrogant behaviour is just kinda not normal to me..
Is it ok to delete a comment posted by somebody I disagree with just to shut their mouth?
Hello everybody,
let me ask you, what impression would give you a person, who would intentionally delete a comment you posted on their blog or discu…
hahaha dear! I will disagree on one thing, we can't just judge the person as arrogant because there are some who has psychological issues like me, introvert. Every one of us has our own battle..:) we may disagree and agree to different areas, but that doesn't mean hatred, nothing serious. For educational purposes only.
Luci said:
To me such attitude is arrogant and such people fool yourself as they accept only those, who agree with everything they say...
Is it ok to delete a comment posted by somebody I disagree with just to shut their mouth?
Hello everybody,
let me ask you, what impression would give you a person, who would intentionally delete a comment you posted on their blog or discu…
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If someone isn't able to bear criticism, then he shouldn't start any discussions. It's the meaning of discussions to share opinions and to respect different opinions, too. Of course, the contributions should be constructive, never insulting and rude... even if we don't agree with statements.
Deleting of comments is a sign of weakness and missing self-confidence.
Estanis, I see you learnt from Don Quixote and the windmills ;)
Estanis said:
Eva! I love your comments so much! But it grabs my attention how you always try hard to be 'objective'... You know? I was like that too! :) But now I know that's impossible for the human being. We're always going to be 'influenced' for something because... we have that thing called 'feelings'. Nothing can be 100% objective. Not even History (written by the winners) or Dictionaries (look for the word 'Black' in a dictionary from 1920 and you will probably find a racist definition) So... I just wanna say that is ok not to try so hard to be 'objective' all the time... We just can't and that's why our feelings have to show up, to come to the 'rescue'! Never feel 'bad' if your feelings are louder :)
Big Hugs.
Evangelina said:
Hey Luci! You know I'd love to say sooooo many things... But this time I prefer not to make more noise because if I say what I think, I'm not gonna be nice and I'm not gonna talk 'in general'; I'm gonna give names. So I better shut up... Because I'm human, ergo warm-blooded. But sometimes the human blood 'boils'. And my blood boils when I see discrimination, arrogance, bigotry, injustice and manipulation.
I've seen a lot of that many times and usually I defend what I think is right and fair even if I'm alone in my 'battle' (but don't get me wrong, I'm not any 'saint' and neither want to be one) But now, even after reading some kind of comments like those in that blog Eva linked here, I prefer just to keep quiet... But NOT because I don't care or because I can't defend my point of view (I do, pretty well, and I've A LOT to say) I keep quiet because I don't wanna make more troubles and I feel like I'm talkin' to a wall anyway: It's pointless and frustrating. I'm fed up and I dont wanna lose my precious time.
So, the only reason that makes me to come here and write these lines is to agree with your words and to show my support.
Luci, thanks for being a "pain in the ass" for some kind of ppl. I love that about you.
Thank you so much for writing this discussion.
Let me tell you that I have experienced same situation here before, and It is exactly how I reacted about it. I mean I published a blog naming the person who removed my comment and referring to his blog and to my comment that he intentionally removed it. And here is the link if you want :D
http://www.myenglishclub.com/profiles/blogs/tricks-of-dictatorship
Let me tell you that I consider your discussion now as a bravery, while let me tell you as an answer to your question that I consider this action when it comes by others as a "cowardice". It is true that it is their space of freedom so they have the right to put whatever they like in it and to forbid whatever they don't like as well. But still it's lack of confidence and a cowardice to prevent others' opinions, and I can't understand it in a different way. That means they are cowards, and they are free about it :)
Again, I congratulate you on writing this :)
Evangelina said:
Here is My Point of View...:)
I think, when a person say something, somehow he/she have idea about what he/she is saying, whether her/his words will be hurtful to the owner or not..
The question is not about freedom of saying something OR acceptance of "against words".. But the question is What's the "Theme of your words"?? what expression and feeling, A person's words shows.. If a person's words Only shows his point of view(wethers against or not against ) in FRIENDLY way then the owner of the Blog is not doing fair BY deleting his comment... But commentator's words should not be in hurtful/insulted/wrong/harsh way... A comment should not be in ironic way nor hurtful way..
It's hurtful to see that comment has been deleted by owner, BUT its hurtful too that owner receive comment in ironic way.. A person can against the owner Point of View even its not bad or wrong.. But its also not fair to delete someone's comment because its totally against the Respect..
Famous saying
"Always Put yourself on other People's shoes, if You feel that it hurts You then it probably hurt the person too"
Dear Luci, Thanks for this Discussion, this discussion made me to think alot about this issue..
Hello Vangie, this is truly sad and thanks for giving me another side, you know that I'm the kind of person who will tell you things in private if I found something wrong, same to Serene. If I was offended, or things that I consider serious I resort to talk to the person, of course, issues of pervert attitudes from some members are not included here. As i know how to report.
I truly appreciate this effort you made just to make me feel familiar in things happening here, but according to you, as you are always telling me, be myself, be confident, be true and do good. Yes there are so many areas here that I'm not familiar, so many people I don't know yet. But I don't want to waste any chance to know people around me here as they are, one way or another, a help to my English learning. (this is the main purpose of joining the site).
I think if I will ask, but never will I demand for any respect or civil approach I will rest assure that I will do the same. As this is golden rule. If not, I will contradict myself. But of course I cannot deny sometimes when chatting there are people who love to prejudice other people, I did spoke up, especially if I know the person they are talking about is not present.
Plus, regardless of the history I prefer to be neutral not because I support them as they want to aggravate people here or console/protect them. See, nobody is perfect, read me my dear friend, for there is no JUST MAN upon Earth that doeth good and sinneth not. Also take no heed unto all words that are spoken; lest thou hear thy servant curse you, FOR OFTENTIMES ALSO YOUR OWN HEART KNOWS THAT YOU YOURSELF LIKEWISE HAST CURSED OTHERS. (from King Solomon in Ecclesiastes)
Thanks a lot Vangie, you are a genuine good person. I appreciate this and I see this as another opportunity for me to not do the same to other people and try to be more lenient to our differences.
Evangelina said:
Don't be so touchy Luci, I didn't mean you or comments by you. You are only "too straightforward and open' so simple as that.
Luci said:
hahaha dear! I will disagree on one thing, we can't just judge the person as arrogant because there are some who has psychological issues like me, introvert. Every one of us has our own battle..:) we may disagree and agree to different areas, but that doesn't mean hatred, nothing serious. For educational purposes only.
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