How much should we learn about Grammar?

I want to ask about this question: How much should we learn about Grammar? Since it has many subjects to learn about and sometimes it makes beginners feel overwhelmed and desperate in which part they should start to learn grammar. Tenses, parts of speech, etc. Can anyone make a list contains which parts of Grammar that beginners should really understand? 

For example, Is it important for a beginner to really understand parts of speech? 

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    • I have written on  this earlier ..Well>> as a teacher, with over 22 years experience

      teaching English Language and Literature too ,I can definitely say , we need not teach grammar"""grammar""   in isolation as a separate lesson NEVER????YES, never. i teach grammar through   the text i use i reading comprehension., I give the grammar through this  in small doses during the lesson...   We never learn the grammar in   our native  language   this way??SO create such an  environment  to the learner..    Simple.. I get the learners talking grammatical English within 50  hours of evenly spaced out lessons. I was taught grammar in isolation, at school, about 50 years ago.SO it is the approach   is  long dead and ineffective.  

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    • And how exactly are you going to achieve that level of confident communication without learning anything about grammar? 

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    • Had you  read the comments made by native teachers of English You will see

      what i   mean/.BUT before i go any further please drop this ""sir""form of

      address,It makes me feel real uncomfortable . YOU are a teacher,I  am a

      teacher ??SO   we are equal in status O K ???NOW   back to square one.

      Let us talks as equals from here on wards,I can write to your e mail in case ,ELSE Can i give my e mail??

      you are in such a frame  of mind??I was there in Bodh-gaya and Varanasi in

      March last year.  It was a  pilgrimage with my 2 sisters and a brother.Have you been outside  India. have  been  in Europe .etc>> 

      AND IF you say the learners get to grips with the language in a short while you are 

      successful..This is education to me?  SO that is it??what  matters  is the success.   I do it with minimal reference     to grammar and you have  another approach.. Both are o k 

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    • YES  HImanshi,,,,,,,,,,You are correct and it is a fact ??The knowledge in grammar decides.

      STILL , as per my experience , there is NO need for special emphasis on teaching grammar

      as  an independent unit ... I have been  teaching English for over 22 years an i teach Literature too/   I,at   times, start  from the basic ,and then graduate to literature in about 9 / 11

      months of 8 hour  per month lessons .I introduce grammar as  the lesson proceeds

      and     the learners seldom feel   they  are learning grammar.   

      SO my conclusion    is that   grammar  need NOT be stressed on much..     

    • YES  NiMANSHI.,     you are correct in your own way as it is based on your

      experience and exposure.,WELL>I teach the British ((o l )syllabus and literature too ALL my   students get B s and C s   and a few A s too I had never taken grammar  as a separate unit in the past 20 years or more/STILL I never ever had any failures or  distress calls from the learners.  ALL are  quite at home in my lessons and they enjoy it much... SO your opinion is correct taken in your context and environment you re in ..Even the British team  of experts who managed English Teaching ,in the Sultanate of Oman ,where i taught for 5 years ,never had incorporated   any grammar  lesson   --separate -in their books . 

  • Hi,

    Thanks for all members who gave their opinions here. I appreciate all of them. Sorry, I cannot reply each comment.

  • Hello Ario. In our schoo,l we learn about simple  vocabulary and the phonetics first...we start to learn  grammar when we are in standard 3...

  • writing correctly is the last and professional section of learning English. in earlier levels it is not important to write grammatically .every one should promote input skills then will be able to speak and write .at intermediate levels can write compositions and hand it to be corrected by his or her teacher  

  • if we want to talk like a native speaker or understand them we should learn all grammars atleast more than half of them .

    but for a beginer i recommend first try to learn tenses because each sentece certainly has a verb and then  try to learn others step by step.

     

  • hi

    about grammar i must say i myself have never tried to study grammars maybe sometime which i faced with a structure which i couldn't understand.in adding i must say that i try to hear the name of grammars but i never had a deep study on grammars and never worked on their practices.i am learning grammars by reading different text , listening to podcasts and watching movies.i say again i learn the name of grammars not to study them.for example tenses:i learn that we have present tense and then when i am reading or watching try to find out that tense ,i never do practices for present

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