Okay, First I would like to say, Plural marriage is not a part of my culture ( it happens rarely and most of the people do not like it) though majority people of my country are Muslims and it is true. Here, in the most cases, when a man wants to marry for the second time common practice is he divorces his first wife. And, yes, if a woman wants to remarry or wants to leave her husband she does the same thing. But,another true is, in some cases it happens, I mean plural marriage, in the remote areas among uneducated people/ in unprivileged society ( percentage is still less). But, there is a strict rule for having wife more than one and it is male must get permission from his first wife. If not his first wife can suit a case against him and if he really did not get permission before doing second marriage the second marriage has no value in the eye of the law and will be treated as elligal.
Now, look, where it happens and who do it, they like to use religion here. They say, Muslim males have permission up to four wives! But, really it is? You should know, there are many buts and it seems to me finally in most of the cases, it is impossible to get more than one wife if anybody follows the instructions properly.
See, in some very specific cases, plural marriage or having a second wife can be a solution...
1. If a woman is too sick, if she can not live a marital life but despite the fact she wants to stay with her husband. And, yes, there a few woman who do not want to loose their husbands, may be due to poor financial condition, may be lack of education or family support! Where they will go?
2. If a woman can not give birth of a child but her husband wants to have a child and the woman agrees to let her husband get another wife ( if they really agree). But, in this point we should remember now many health related problems are curable than before. Now after taking proper medication and treatment many couples have their own kids that was impossible before.
But, whatever it is, males have to get permission before having second wife. And, it is also true, women are not allowed to have more than one husband. If they want to remarry they have to divorce their first husbands. So, only solution is to suit a divorce case! Yes, why women are not allowed having more husbands, one reasonable answer is it will create problem to identify the fathers of the kids. Though, now modern science also have found a solution of it by genetic code testing. But in my understanding, it is not a matter of competition between man and woman, to me man and woman both should have one partner not more! Another point just came into my mind, if a woman has more than one husband she will be under another pressure, in general, her second husband will want to have at least one kid so it means woman will/will be bound to give birth more! That means, she will spend more time at home to give birth than to be a working lady! Her health will be in more risk!
But, what is the another picture around the globe/in western societies? Young men and women starting seeing each other, after a while they live together, is there a big difference between living together and being married? Purpose is the same, just in marriage there is a wedding, they pronounce some words, right? Then, why we value marriage as it is an old practice to be together? Yes, I know, marriage also has a social value, it is a good way to have kids and to raise them, it has a moral value and along with it religious aspects/value. So, who mix up with one/two/three girls or boys in their life and finally get married with another one or one of them than what does it mean actually, those relationships were a kind of marriage without uttering some words?! And, what it is when a man or woman has extra marital affairs? Is it also a kind of marriage without uttering some words ( religious of course) and with less social acceptability?! In my opinion it is more bad than having a second wife, of course, who does it after getting his first wife's concern and there is a genuine reason ! Here, I am mentioning again, without first wife's permission/assent second marriage has no value and if it happens the second woman will not get any social respect/ law related facility. But, do not think all men in my country (who do plural marriage) always maintain this rule. In many cases, they do not inform their first wives or just they do not care to do plural marriage and if the first wives raise their voices their men divorce them! But, yes, if women are bold enough then they are able to award them punishment by applying law and enforce authority.
So, what I want to say, In Islam plural marriage for men is allowed along with many BUTS and it is applicable just in some special cases. It is not for fun and all Muslim males do not do it. In Middle east, most probably it existed before Islam, then they did marry more than four women. And, it is also true beyond Middle east in the past or in medieval period plural marriage was very much popular or a common thing among other societies, then wealthy men had hundreds wives or more.
Dear friends, I tried to tell you what happens in my country and what I think in this matter. As far as I can understand, no woman likes her husband doing Plural marriage and no man does! And, in Islam, plural marriage is not mandatory, of course not! It is just a way out if specific situations arise, for normal situation one marriage is treated as the best!Okay, I hope I did not offend anyone here!
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Dear Bet! Thanks for such a comprehensive analysis of the matter and your personal sober point of view. Let me comment some moments I disagree with or want to add something to.
Being a scientist, I would say that females can share one male, have common kids and live alltogether. That is why history knows many examples of males' garems you have mentioned. In the old times, wealthy powerful men surrounded themselves with a crowd of young attractive women willing to demonstrate their superiority in different aspects. I wonder if they really could satsfy all their wives physically but it was of no matter for them as they didn't consider women to be equal. They were humiliated and raised in obedience to their master, a MAN. On the other hand, males can't share one woman and in the modern society paternity is out of the question as there is a DNA test. So, two or more males can't share one female. It is our nature. We will always fight to win her favour! The weaker will have to leave or die. There is no other way. You may know that wild animals avoid killing each other fighting for a female they want to be a mother of their cubs. But men will hardly allow any alian male to step over the border of their territory! I am sorry to say that, but it is our nature and any religion has nothing to do with it. We are considered to be the top link of evolution for now but our wild ancestors seem to have been wiser! At least, they didn't kill their species because of jealocity and disabilty to have a female they wanted.
I also want to disagree with your statement about our living together without marriage. People agree to live together because they feel like that. They want to share their feelings and to check them out. It is much better than to dive into a whirpool without knowing the bottom and stream . I tell you I was a professional swimmer when young. So, if people live without getting married here it doesn't mean that men avoid paternity or any other obligations. We all stilll have them. But let me say that both men and women should marry officially if they feel they are ready to make a family. But if they didn't have any experience before, I wonder if they may be sure in their decisions.
Excuse me, dear but I prefer to say what is on my mind whether you like it or not.
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Thanks a lot, Roman for your understanding and I am happy to see you tried to understand the matter though it is a new thing for you!
Okay, let's see...Before Islam (came as a religion) in the middle east region new born girls were forced to die and buried, it is a history, you may find it on google or history book. In the holly book, it is said, this sort of evil act is prohibited, girls have right to live!
Look, who tend to marry more, in my understanding and as far as I know, they use this option as a chance! And, I think, who use this as a chance or who do it out of a necessity both know about those buts and reasons. As far as I know women also know, but yes, it is easy to cheat uneducated poor women/men and to wash their brains, to make them understand it is men's right!
Yes, women has no right or there are no buts for them, but, I know in the past some women had more husbands. Okay, I will try to give you information about it.
But, bottom line is one partner is the best!
Hi Bet!
So, everything converges to one conclusion discrimination against women.
I don't understand, what you mean. They were killing new born girls? Why?
I understood about those reasons and many buts from the first time I read your blog. But let me express myself better:
Not everybody knows about those reasons and buts. But they know about that right of men, to have more than one wife.
And men USE it! Without mentioning that there are some reasons and buts. And when man's wife doesn't know about those reasons and buts, but she know, that men have that right. She will just accept it like if there are no buts.
Yes, I read that Rosemary's comment and it also seems logical. But I have one big question. Why were those women so weak poor and hopeless after their first husbands died? Because they had not rights to study and to work.
Now imagine please that situation, if those women were able to study and to work. They would never be so weak poor and hopeless and ALL the reasons of getting second wives would be unnecessary. Because those widows would be able to live happy life and even take care of their children from their first husbands.
I am so glad to hear that women don't like to share their men with anybody!
Giving birth more times, because of having more than one husband is their (women's) own businesses. About diseases. I have no idea what it is, but it doesn't matter. They (women) should have had think about it before marrying the second or third man. It is like when you buy something without reading an instruction. Who cares if one got health issues after using any bought product, without reading an instruction or warning on it? It is absolutely the same. Those who decide to marry with one more spouse are adult/mature enough to know, that it has not only advantages but also disadvantages! So I don't agree with this reason of POLYANDRY prohibition.
About your answer on my questions.
See, in your blog you used those: 1. and 2. reasons to allow men right to have more than one wife. And in your answer on my questions, you used those 1. and 2. reasons (in case when there are sick men instead of women) to allow only two opportunities: to live with him or to divorce. That is not fair. :)
And yes, I am also against plural marriages. I don't want to offend anybody.
And yes, I agree with this your sentence, "And, finally we can say one partner is the best for both gender!"
Thank you! :)
Thanks, Roman for reading and for your relevant questions.
Look, it is true, women are not allowed to get more than one husband and on the contrary in some special cases men are allowed. But, please note that when it was introduced then situation was very different than present. To be married for the second time for the widows was a problem, women were not educated ( only a few men might be educated as per their time), women had no financial solvency, women had no right on the wealth and property, in general. Even, new born girls were forced to be buried, do you know about it? So, as far as I know it was the situation of Middle east. So, I think, men were allowed to get married up to four. But, here we should take another thing in consideration, before allowing four wives men used to have more wives/women. But, when Islam ( Islam is a religion) allowed four wives it was allowed with many buts/reasonable reasons and if a men and his wife agrees on this matter. And, I can say these/those reasons were not easy to meet up, rather tough.
Well, look, now situation is not like before. Now, how many men have more than one wife around the globe?! Though, majority people of my country are Muslims but despite the fact in my culture plural marriage was never popular not now! As a woman of such a culture ( I mean in which culture I am belong to), I can say...women hate to know their men to be married to another one! We never want to accept it! But, you can read Rosemery's comments in Dara ginos's blog where she mentioned their reaction, it depends on culture too.
As to plural marriage for the women....actually, as a woman I can say, it is also my personal view, women will face some more problems than men if they have more men, i,e, they have to give more birth may be, they have to take care more so they will be over burden due to household works. And, there is a disease, I know, uterus cancer/pelvic cancer and women are infected by their men as men carry the virus. And, finally we can say one partner is the best for both gender!
Your question,
What if there is too sick man, instead of woman? If he can not live a marital life but despite the fact he wants to stay with his wife? and What if a man can't make his wife pregnant? What if a problem is with his body, instead of her body?....In these cases, either the woman has to live with her men if she wishes or can get divorce and marry another man.
But, my intention of writing this argumentative blog is to show/say plural marriage does not exist every where and how some people try to use it for their won purposes!
Hi Bet!
Even after reading the reasons of plural marriage, I still have no idea, why men are allowed to have more than 1 spouse and women are not.
1) What if there is too sick man, instead of woman? If he can not live a marital life but despite the fact he wants to stay with his wife?
2) What if a man can't make his wife pregnant? What if a problem is with his body, instead of her body?
I am sorry, but in general you have written in your blog, that men have the rights to have more than one wife and women have not.
I have never read or explored detailed information about marriage rules in Ukraine, but I know 0 cases of plural marriage here.
Dara, is it a credit that you informed your wife/wives after getting another marriage?! How come, is not there any law? And, why do you hide may I ask and now I am in doubt whether you tell your newly married wife that you are married before! lol.. But, look, I have told our uneducated poor unprivileged men mostly do plural marriage and they rarely care informing their wives. Are you uneducated poor? Sorry, you know my intention is not bad, I am asking you is it a common practice over there, hiding the news that men are going to marry another one?! Hufff
Shabash Bet! Well done! I marry without telling my first or second wife about it. That what I did when I married my wives. I usually do it after I finish the marriage. Thanks for sharing valuable information with the members.
But what happens to your country, Rahul? Anyway, thanks for reading!
Thanks, jack for reading.