Have You Heard about the Brexit?

AG July 4, 2016 3:27

many thinks to your views which enrich the conversation... yes, I think it's complicated.. As non-European citizen, I can not also support or object... I can only wish you a fruitful future with your nice way of thinking about your own countries..

Thanks for passing by, ladies and gentlemen..

Estanis July 3, 2016 21:37

AG, it's not my business to support brexit or not but theirs. I meant that I support the idea of one united Europe, something like The United States of Europe, with one only voice, although that surely will never happen, at least in a short or mid term since every country here has its own history and 'pride' so almost impossible to agree all together. You can even notice here in your blog.

For me, wise citizens are not those who are carried along with demagogy policy wich sell hopes, protection or claims ignoring the reality and I think this is what surely is happening with Trump although not only there since it's also happening in Spain and perhaps has also happened with brexit.

Luci July 3, 2016 20:47

AG, yes many people blindly believe those promises that manipulate them BUT to see in general situation abt EU ..this is pretty clear, I can say.. here nobody play with them... that is my point.. :)

AG July 3, 2016 20:20

LUCInka,

Please, do you notice you have just said very discrepant two things in your below comment...

they don't give a damn about those, who naively voted for them!!!
people, who live in their country should decide

Well, MARY and LUCInka,

To be honest I can not say I am very sure about my opinion, but at least for the time being, this is what I am convinced of...

I can understand that manipulation and deceive are real problems about what I am suggesting.. This exists everywhere and at every time.. and we can not easily get rid of these problems especially when we are talking about political type of works...

but still can not accept that a vote of someone who is well-educated and well-aware is equal to the vote of some other one who is naive and low-educated.. I believe that especially such a critical decision must be studied very well and evaluated by expert range of people.. let's say universities or scholars rather than rotten politicians...

I think you all have seen this photo in internet. So, if you just can think about it in a similar way , you could understand the idea that I am trying to say...

Anyway, I will repeat again that I can not be very sure of my opinion either.. because, still the principle of reproducing new dictatorships and manipulation is available about what I say ..

Let me just dream about something ideal and free of any deceive or manipulation to be expertly responsible of making such big decisions in these times...

Luci July 3, 2016 19:44

I do believe that people, who live in their country should decide, what will happen with it because they are the most important. Politician might be educated but omggg they are manipulated, playing own lobby game and mostly they don't give a damn about those, who naively voted for them!!! This is the reality... So yes people should have power in their hands not politicians :)

MARY July 3, 2016 19:25

So you don't support a real democracy, but a controlled (and manipulated) democracy. Again, I think the problem is not letting people to vote. Or wait... maybe that's what we should think? Maybe there are interests that want to instill on ppl's mind that is better if people can't decide? Uhm... We'll see. Time will tell....

The problem is not that people are stupid. The problem is that everything is being controlled and manipulated by interests that we can't still get to know now, but we will...

And don't fool yourself: Markets rule EVERYTHING and politicians are just their puppets. What is good for the maket is bad for the ordinary people. For people like you and me. Markets just make the rich richer.

Let's see who gets money with this and we'll see who's the responsible of what's going on now.

AG July 3, 2016 18:56

And... away from our serious opinions...

I would like to share some jokes about Brexit with you here... hope you enjoy them.. and hope you can also share us with your jokes, if you have any :D

AG July 3, 2016 18:52

well Estanis & MARY,

Having a variety of your opinions is pushing me seriously to announce a similar referendum about do you support Brexit or not; and if not, what do you think are the responsibilities of governments in similar situations like these...

To be honest, I still think that people shouldn't take such decisions, since such decisions require a certain amount of studies of the pros and cos, and serious evaluation of the requirements of each step.. I totally agree that strength comes in numbers.. So, it's sad, as I was mentioning from the beginning..

All the best for European Citizens on their EU's future.. And thanks to your variety which enriches this positive debate :)

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Estanis July 3, 2016 18:04

This is a question that should have never been decided by citizens, we vote for our politicians to do their work not to hold us responsibility for such important decisions. It has nothing to do with democracy.
Luckily or unluckily market rules everything and we'd better flowing with it for the citizen's wellfare. Corruption and inmoral people is other story. Would it be better an anarchy?

I guess Cameron will be judged by history for starting the collapse of the "United" Kingdom. It's not weird that Scotland and others want to belong to the E.U.

Anyway, in my opinion old nostalgic people make sense voting for brexit but Not in young openminded generations since it's really comfortable traveling with no passports, same currency, less bureaucracy...
As you mentioned, inmigration has been a decisive factor although U.K. has not the heaviest burden but the whole Europe. If we close our frontiers is bad, if we allow inmigrants coming is worse. Any idea?

Strength comes in numbers, and mostly in this globalised world.

MARY July 3, 2016 17:00

AG, think about this:

Imagine your country is ruled by that "committee of the wisest people of the nation" as you said. What do I care if they are the 'wisest' if they have deals with oil companies, bankers, mafia, or whatever economic interest? Is not about being ruled by the smartest people. Is about being ruled by decent people. People who cares about people, not about the f***ing market.

A country should be ruled by their citizens. No by the market.
And governments should never lie to their citizens. But politicians knows pretty well that "If you can't convince them, confuse them".

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